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TOC vs. Lean or Agile discussion
From: Luís
Cristóvão
Sent: November 15, 2004
Hi all
In an article about managing Global Supply Chains (let me say one of the best I have found
recently) the author presented a matrix like this:
Should a company be Agile or Lean ?
If Variety is High, and Predictability Low --> Then you have Agile - which is needed in
less predictable environments where the demand for variety is high
If Variety is Low, and Predictability High --> Then you have Lean - which is works best
in high volumes, low variety and predictable environments
Now I do you put TOC on these matrix ? Is TOC, and we are talking about companies with
Global Supply Chains, good in the Agile condition and at the same time good in the lean
condition ? Or in other words is TOC the best of the two worlds ?
The author also states that Leanness shouldn't be confused with Agility. Lot of companies
(Japanese in the example) who have adopted Lean and a JIT type of business approach, still
have long delivery times to customers and insist that those customers provide them with
firm orders often several months ahead manufacture (!!)
Best Regards
Luís Cristóvão
Quality, Environment, H&S Director
Jose Maria Fonseca Wines S.A. |
From: Brian Potter
Sent: November 16, 2004
Luis,
Hypothesis (proof left as an exercise to the reader): If you do ToC (really do it; not
play at it) ...
... if you need Agile, ToC will deliver Agile as a side-effect of being effective in an
environment where Agile works well.
... if you need something else, ToC will deliver that something else as a side-effect of
being effective in an environment where something else works well.
... whether you "need" Lean or not, you will get as lean as you can get without
putting effectiveness at unacceptable risk, AND you will reach that maximally lean highly
effective state more quickly than you would if you merely aimed for Leanness.
Focusing on the constraints to being better is a very powerful continuous improvement
paradigm. OF the continuous improvement models I know (surely, I do not know all of them),
only Boyd's O-O-D-A Loop model offers a paradigm (one which may include ToC as a sub-model
when applied to human organizations) which probably operates faster than ToC.
Starting with a preconceived "solution" works whenever the actual situation
calls for a solution sufficiently like the preconception. ToC will respond to (probably
changing) realities with a solution which (quickly) asymptotically approaches the ideal
for any particular situation. When the reality shifts, an organization which has deployed
ToC will (quickly) shift with the reality (or to create another new reality more favorable
to the organization). Any preconceived "solution" (no matter how well it works
in some contexts) will succeed only when (and as long as) the environment onto which one
grafts it sufficiently matches the environment in which the preconceived solution works.
By its nature, ToC creates new solutions (or adapts existing ones) for the specific
reality any particular organization faces. Again, the Boyd O-O-D-A process may do this
even better than ToC, but any differences favoring O-O-D-A will be speed. The O-O-D-A
process might create new realities faster and via more approaches than ToC.
:-)
Brian |
From: Jim Bowles
Sent: November 16, 2004
Hi Brian
Can we add a little clarity to some of the terminology that is being used here.
For instance is it correct to say:
Lean = Low inventory system/method or is there more to it?
Agile = Responsiveness/response time to customer demand or is there more to it?
As you and I know TOC can deliver both of these without those labels.
Jim Bowles |
From: Brian Potter
Sent: November 16, 2004
Jim,
We are probably mostly on the same page.
I believe that the advocates of both Lean and Agile would claim that they are also about
continuous improvement and customer satisfaction. I will not dispute this in the abstract,
but I believe that too many "implementations" of each too often become over
focused on internals---"cost management" purposes for Lean and internally
simplified product delivery system management purposes for Agile---to the customer's
disadvantage.
Many Lean folks will also focus on rapid flow from source (raw material and supply base)
to the customer. Low inventory need not (contrary to some arguments) conflict with speed.
This focus makes economic sense; some firms (e.g., fast food chains for one oft cited
example) have built systems which support collecting cash from sales before the payable
items from purchased inputs come due.
Agile often adds the notion of buffering delivery dates with "content buffers."
In some sense, this notion (mostly applicable to software products) distinguishes Agile
from other customer responsive delivery systems. In markets where timeliness really
matters more than fully delivering promised content (e.g., release the next Roman numeral
of "Dastardly Deed Doer Demolisher" [just] before the pre-Christmas toy sale
boom), this approach surely has merit. In this age of rampant entertainment software
piracy, shipping what you've got into a very narrow market timing window (early enough to
catch the wave and late enough to leave the pirates off its back side) may be critical for
some venders. Agile-like tactics with content buffering along with time and budget
buffering probably helps quite a lot in such markets. Such methods probably matter much
less for most business-to-business sales. In less fashion conscious consumer markets, the
content buffering piece of Agile probably has varying (from valuable to harmful)
usefulness.
:-)
Brian |
From: Dave Simpson
Sent: November 16, 2004
Jim,
The focus of lean is not on inventory, it is on eliminating non-value added activities.
The keeping of excessive inventory is just one of those activities. Agile does reference
the ability of a company to quickly react to incoming orders and changes in the
marketplace. An agile manufacturer would typically be able to reconfigure the plant floor
to deal with a new order in a few minutes, as is typically seen in a number of electronics
assembly companies (Solectron, Celestica, etc..).
But, to me you have the right question, which is why I'd like to read the original article
as well. At times I've thought of Lean and Agile as two sides of the same coin, rather
than as either / or opposites.
Brian's answer is correct in any case. The thinking processes will allow a company to
determine where best to focus efforts right now on improving leanness or agility. The
typical lean implementation starts by trying to do everything. As we know, many of these
improvements will not increase throughput. TOC provides the focus behind the common tools
used in either environment.
Finally, to Luis...
A company should strive to establish itself as a learning enterprise - one in which
continuous improvement takes place. Toyota's culture is based on two pillars - respect for
all people (employees, suppliers, customers, shareholders, and the public at large), and
continuous improvement. Establish those as bases for your improvement efforts, and any set
of tools can be applied to drive the improvements. Teaching workers to understand the
scientific method - to be able to test hypotheses and measure the results to know if an
improvement idea really works is a big part of Toyota's success.
I'll repeat thoughts from a discussion I had with a Toyota executive. Essentially, he
said, "We don't care if other companies know our countermeasures. They'll just try to
copy us, to apply them without understanding - without creating the culture in which the
countermeasures work best. Without this hard work, the countermeasures will not succeed
over the long term."
Regards,
Dave Simpson,
Solution Sales, Global Toyota Team |
From: Luís
Cristóvão
Sent: November 18, 2004
Dave
et all
I apologize but I didn't send the article in the first place intentionally because I
wanted to focus the discussion on Agile vs. Lean. As in a lot of dictions on this list
things must not always be antagonistic and can coexist if correctly applied.
The focus here and I repeat was about Global Supply Chains and the necessity of being
Agile. I've heard this word several times about software (I think Clarke is the one that
talks more about this) and now it is applied to Supply Chains.
This is basically because : markets are turbulent with rapid changes, markets are very
fragmented instead of mass markets, product cycles are shorter...
So Supply Chains must adapt quickly to compete in these environments. The author defines
Agility as "rapid strategic and operational adaptation to large scale, unpredictable
changes in the business environment. Agility implies responsiveness from one end of the
supply chain to the other. It focuses upon eliminating the barriers to quick response, be
they organizational or technical. "
Dave I ask you a question now, in the case you now very well. Do you consider Toyota an
Agile company ? I mean considering this definition and this focus (OK Jim ?)
Well I think you will like the article (you may not like the Lean vs. Agile point) but I
agree with the author when he said SCs today have little visibility of 'real demand' and
have multiple 'echelons of inventory' in the pipeline from plant... to consumer. This
means decisions of production and distribution are based on arbitrary rules such re-order
points or re-order quantities.
Finally SC must be managed not in "in the old model of local for local
manufacturing...but as a single entity"
Can you guys find some similarities with TOC model ?
Please find and read this Martin Chistopher's article at
http://www.indiainfoline.com/bisc/gscm.html
Best Regards
Luís Cristóvão
Quality, Environment, H&S Director
Jose Maria Fonseca Wines S.A. |
From: Dave Simpson
Sent: November 18, 2004
Luis,
An excellent article, and one that applies well to any industry where a competitor has
achieved the kind of integrated supply chain Martin references. Right now, that is
primarily found in the electronics industry, and certain retailers who handle their own
inbound logistics. Automotive supply chains aren't there yet - predominantly because no
one company has achieved this level. Once one company does (like Dell in electronics)
everyone must follow or become non-competitive.
In answer to your question, no, I do not consider Toyota to be Agile using the definition
provided. Toyota does ask dealers to fix orders several weeks in advance of manufacturing
- in support of a lean concept called heijunka - which is a production levelling concept
designed so that no workstation is overloaded because of processing a number of
consecutive products requiring higher levels of work at the station.
To my way of thinking, heijunka and the focus on the ideal of eliminating all inventory
are the only major differences between true lean, as practised by Toyota, and the agile
model Martin Christopher espouses.
Other auto OEMs are not constrained by Toyota's culture and history, and haven't adopted
heijunka the way that Toyota does it. They are the more logical targets to achieve true
leanness.I have my personal pick for the company who will get there first in North
America, but don't have anything scientific to back it up - just a gut sense. Once someone
does get there (order you custom vehicle and it will be delivered to you in 10 days
anywhere in North America), then Toyota will be able to follow rapidly, as there is so
much work already in place for an agile model.
Dave Simpson,
Solution Sales, Global Toyota Team |
From: Randy Bedford
Sent: November 18, 2004
Folks,
It seems to me the problem with this article is that Mr. Christopher's definition of
"lean" has been inferred from observation of companies that claim to be lean.
Just as with politicians claiming to be honest
and free from influence, there are many more companies claiming to be lean than in
actuality. If he had read and understood Womack and Jones' 1996 book "Lean
Thinking" (similar in stature to The Goal in the TOC world), he might have understood
that the lean ideal is applicable to any type of business, and that through the value
stream mapping tool, which seeks to identify all process stretching back to the raw
materials each product is made from, and forward to the ultimate consumer (or recycler if
applicable), the lean model encompasses integrated and dynamic supply chain management.
On page 38 (2nd ed.,2003), Womack gives the example of mapping a case of Coca-Cola from
bauxite mine to consumer at the local Tesco (a British supermarket chain), and found that
it takes 319 days from end to end, of which 3 hours is processing time, the rest is
waiting. 16% of the aluminum throughout the chain gets recycled, the rest going to
landfill. Not very lean or agile by anyone's definition.
Agility, as I understand it, is the model espoused by Preiss, Nagel and Goldman, as put
forth in their 1991 report, "21st Century Manufacturing Enterprise Strategy",
published by the Iacocca Institute (Lehigh University) at the request of the US Congress.
The model was updated in their 1995 book " Agile Competitors and Virtual
Organizations". At a lecture I attended given by Mr. Preiss, he defined agility as a
dynamic system, with continuous flows of information, analysis, decisions, instructions to
produce continuously changing actions. Agility has six levels, from the single product -
rapidly changing quantity and timing of orders, through product families, families of
products, up to shifting business segments. He summarizes the agile model as a change from
slow, static, loosely coupled independent systems to fast, dynamic, tightly coupled
dependent systems. My reaction at the time was that I had not heard anything new that
Deming or Goldratt hadn't already said, but perhaps his books have more to offer.
For another take, combining OODA, TRIZ, Agile in a single receipe, see:
http://www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/canter/canter.htm
best regards,
Randy Bedford |
From: Luís
Cristóvão
Sent: November 19, 2004
Dave
I think these Supply Chains as you said are in electronics/PC industry,example of
Flextronics, also with Dell (more connected with B2C and retailing), but the most
impressive cases come from companies in the apparel business. In terms of apparel I'm
talking the case of Benetton and specially the cases of Seven-Eleven Japan and Zara. Those
last two are companies with legendary fast Supply Chains. SEJ to have one idea has an
average of three deliveries a day to his stores (they deliver by truck, boat, motorbike
and even helicopter, to name a few). This means also to change the products on the shelf's
three times a day, depending of the hours and the consumers (!).
So they segment the consumer in three slices every day. For those who talked and preach
about rapid replenishment this is one of the most impressive cases I've eared. Zara on the
other side is even a more global business. Is business has a core process or Basic value
Chain centered in its rapid Supply Chain. In this fashion business speed is important and
so Zara has a cycle time of 2 weeks (it also depends from the articles) from Design to the
Shelf in the store (!!), even if the store is in New York or Tokyo. Zara like Benetton and
also Dell mastered the concept of Design to Postponement to respond rapidly to market and
it is the market that pulls the demand in whole chain. There is also other interesting
things about Zara's operations - For example it uses the concept of Capacity in a very
strange way. Well not so strange for those who know TOC... It has production units and
logistic centers with overcapacity or better with sufficient protective capacity to
respond quickly. If we taught capacity has a non-linear relationship with speed, when
variation increases you have to have increasingly higher protective capacity to maintain
the same speed (this means sometimes you need to run only at 50% or less of total capacity
- that's what Zara does). This is if you don't want to increase the stocks which is
dangerous in this industry. The risk of obsolescence is tremendous and so Zara has the
lowest stock levels in the industry and the higher margins.
Dave, Zara has been working in this plants with Toyota people (I've read this) and so my
question about Agility of Toyota.
To finish I must say that it is difficult for a car manufacturer, or other industries to
have 15 days or one month from design to delivery...but the so call top companies have to
learn a lot from these examples, I mean in terms of Supply Chain performance. In this case
we could say that 15 days between production and delivery will be a very good response.
Best Regards
Luís Cristóvão
Quality, Environment, H&S Director
Jose Maria Fonseca Wines S.A. |
From: Dave Simpson
Sent: November 19, 2004
Luis,
Good post. Yes Zara is an amazing example of how excess capacity in certain areas can
help.
I only want to correct one thing on which I may have misled you. There is no intention in
the auto world of going from design to the customer in a month or less. Doing this in
under two years is difficult enough. What the auto companies want to do is go to make to
order of a particular configuration with delivery within two weeks. Even that has it's
challenges, since transportation time for the finished vehicle can consume half of that
time.
Regards,
Dave Simpson,
Solution Sales, Global Toyota Team |
From: Steve Holt
Sent: November 23, 2004
A number of recent studies draw a very distinct difference between the
Toyota PRODUCTION System and the Toyota DEVELOPMENT System. They use the same principles,
but do not operate the same. Toyota is known for having a goal of removing waste, but
that's not their goal, that's a way to reach their goal. The real goal of Toyota is summed
up in a quote by Taiichi Ohno from his 1998 book on Toyota. He said, "All we are
doing is looking at the time line from the moment the customer gives us an order to the
point when we collect the cash. And we are reducing that time line by removing the
non-value-added wastes."
Ohno was one of the primary advocates of minimizing the time and waste in the Production
system. But, if that was it, Toyota today would be churning out really cheap 1980
Corollas. If they did that there'd be a market for them, but the market really wants more
than that. Hence, they need a Product Development system that's coming up with the
products and features that customers will want.
To boil that down and actually answer your question--the Production System exists to build
products that someone tells the Production System to make. It is the role of a Development
System to design those products. Of course, this distinction only comes about with a large
enough company. If we were running a 3 person company such distinctions would not add any
value.
It's only a focus on system performance that stops the split into a Production and
Development group from being a dysfunctional silo organization structure.
Steve Holt |
From: Dave Simpson
Sent: November 24, 2004
Steve,
This posting has the potential to distory what Toyota does, so please allow me to post a
mild correction. The world already misunderstands lean, as Toyota does it. I'd rather
other misconceptions don't arise as well...
You said:
This is the real key to the message of how Toyota operates: as pointed out in
"Certain to Win" by Chet Richards, they have a two part strategy--their
production system is designed to complete the repetitive manufacturing of previously
designed products quickly and their development system is designed to produce products
that the market wants. The two act together to form the total business strategy.
First, instead of using the words "system is designed" in two locations, the
statement would be more accurate to use "system has evolved".
Second, Toyota does have a two part strategy - the same one they've had for decades.
Respect for all people (empoyees, shareholders, customers, suppliers, and the public at
large), and continuous improvement. All the other attributes of Toyota are derivatives of
these two fundamental beliefs. For example, if one truly respects one's customers, one
would only produce the absolute best quality of which one is capable.
Liker's book describes what he views as the 14 major principles. Each of these 14 is a
derivative of the two fundamental pillars.
Sorry to be perhaps a bit picky...
Dave Simpson,
Solution Sales, Global Toyota Team |
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